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Hello Baz,

Well done on your success :! :! :! :!

I am really pleased that you managed to reach this positive resolution without the need for litigation.

Like you said, with what you will get for the laptop plus the refund it is quite a good result.

Well done again and all the very best for the future. :! :! :! :!

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OOh well done lol.

Ok, i was looking at the desktop reciepts and getting muddled!! My son had the laptop reciept, sooo these where purchased march 08, 379 a piece.

Serial numbers for Paul

CNF 8083 DKK
CNF 8083 DD4
CNF 8083 CWZ

And yes i already moaned at watchdog but if several people moan to prove this is a large problem it would help.
I actually don't believe in the watchdog type carry on but there could well be people who have forked out for machines they can't use and be unaware that they should be doing someything about it. I also do not like the ununiformed approach due to retailers being given no guidance. This needs to be tackled with them all doing the same. It doesn't matter where you have bought your lappy from you should have the assurance that you will be dealt with the same as everyone else.


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Irrespective of make/model and place of purchase, etc, is the admin team keeping a running total in stat form of the outcomes people have had?

I would be interseted to know how many people have been offered replacement and how many have settled for a proportion of the origional cost.

My thoughts are that i have three of these damn machines which as Paul pointed out are likely to be in the same batch, proving the component fault. (sorry not well today so English leaves a lot to the imagination!)

I feel that anything anyone does should also, if possible, try to help other people in the same situation, Obviously we would all like refund or replacement, if any of the companies involved have offered this to anyone else, then everyone has good grounds to expect similar treatment irrespective of where purchased.

Can admin give an idea of the overall situation please. Thank You :D


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Model: g6000 G6062EA/EM TK-57 15.4" LAPTOP
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Amount Paid: 359
Date Purchased: 26 May 2008
Date Failed: 10 Oct 2010
hi paul, just spoken to customer services and she informed me that 126.00 is the amount for 28 months i have had the laptop, does this seem right, i did point out that the laptop started to go wrong after 20 months, but she pointed out it can only be counted from when i made a complaint, she also mentioned that this was a good will gesture, i have told her i am getting an engineers report and she will be receiving it in the post, i have also quoted what Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Nvidia, Jen-Hsun Huang. as said, they cannot comment :evil: just wondered if anyone has email address for nvidia and hp please. i would like to know their views :?
from shazzer x


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I woulde point out that people are not being made aware of this fault and as such it is taking time for people to make claims in respect of these items. Time is not a factor if you examine the law, especially when other people who by virtue of not purchasing from Tesco's have been given replacements. This is grossly unfair in the extreme and Tesco's as the uk's biggest retailer should be settling an example in this.


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You can contact hp off there website. Don't think you will have much joy with N vidia but go to watchdog website and fill that in (online form) should you feel the need ....


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hi, i did point out that other retailers are treating customers differently, but she was not interested, i also pointed out what the boss of nvadia has said and she cannot comment on it as it is the buyers that sort out that, so i told her to ask mr bath to inform tesco buyers to look on the website at what is being said :b , did not get anywhere so i am not happy :cry: so frustrating when they talk to u like you have no idea, and after all she said it was a goodwill gesture :evil:


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Hello Shazzer,

shazzer wrote:
hi paul, just spoken to customer services and she informed me that 126.00 is the amount for 28 months i have had the laptop, does this seem right


No, that figure is not right.

By my calculations and based on the information you provided I calculate that the minimum they should be offering you is £192.

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i did point out that other retailers are treating customers differently, but she was not interested


It is this type of couldn't care less attitude that really makes my blood boil! What makes them think that they can get away with treating their customers with such disrespect?

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she also mentioned that this was a good will gesture,


No, this is not a goodwill gesture, this is a partial refund for an inherently defective laptop they sold you.

No matter how much the wriggle and squirm there is no escaping the fact they they have potentially sold thousands of these laptops and it is now time to start complying with their obligations under the Sale Of Goods Act and to drop all this "goodwill gesture" nonsense.

I think that it is now time to move on to the next stage of the step by step guide as it appears that you are banging your head against a brick wall.

Any questions please let me know.

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Hello Bluetootz,

bluetootz wrote:
Irrespective of make/model and place of purchase, etc, is the admin team keeping a running total in stat form of the outcomes people have had?

I would be interseted to know how many people have been offered replacement and how many have settled for a proportion of the origional cost.

My thoughts are that i have three of these damn machines which as Paul pointed out are likely to be in the same batch, proving the component fault. (sorry not well today so English leaves a lot to the imagination!)

I feel that anything anyone does should also, if possible, try to help other people in the same situation, Obviously we would all like refund or replacement, if any of the companies involved have offered this to anyone else, then everyone has good grounds to expect similar treatment irrespective of where purchased.

Can admin give an idea of the overall situation please. Thank You :D


Well I did start keeping stats on the successes but unfortunately I let it slip a bit.

In the year to June 2010 the details were as follows:-

Total Of Refunds = £88,714
Total Of Replacement Laptops = 88
Total Of Repairs = 52

Of course these figures will be much higher now and I would estimate that the total refunds will be close to or even have surpassed £200,000.

Similarly the number or replacement laptops will be much higher.

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Serial numbers for Paul

CNF 8083 DKK
CNF 8083 DD4
CNF 8083 CWZ


As I suspected, your serial numbers are virtually sequential so I would also say that customers purchasing laptops with serial numbers similar to your will also be affected.

It could well be that the whole batch of laptops that your laptop came from are affected and that could run into the hundreds.

I think that it will be quite easy to prove a systematic fault just from your serial numbers.

All your laptops were manufactured in China in week 8 of 2008. They were also all manufactured at the same plant.

Have you contacted Tesco yet and if so what have they said?

Please let me know and I will advise further.

Good luck and best wishes

Paul
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Thanks for that Paul :)

Tesco wrote today, enclosing a OTM form and prepaid envelope !!! Lucky me !!!

So i completed it and after having had time to look around the forum i had hashed together a letter for them which perhaps was a tad strong but hey ho. I also thoughtfully enclosed several lots of info for them as obviously they are incapable of looking it out themselves from what every one else has said, so here is the copy of the letter i sent and i will obviously be back with the response....

Dear Tesco,

Please find enclosed your completed out of warranty form and a copy receipt that is made up of two pages, for three HP G6000 series laptops, that I purchased from the Dumfries store in 2008.

You will note that all three of the laptops are from the same batch, as per the serial numbers on each laptop. (CNF8083 DKK, CNF 8083 DD4 and CNF 8083 CWZ)

These laptops contain a Nvidia Geforce GPU, which is failing in huge numbers worldwide. The fact is that all of these laptops were doomed to fail from the time they were first switched on, due to this recognised fault.

All the machines have displayed the same symptoms and suffered the same failure at different points after purchase. The first failed at thirteen months old, and it belonged to my son who was in the crucial stages of his degree course. So you can imagine the distress this caused to him. The second failed two months later at fifteen months old, and was owned by my partner. The third laptop, which I had bought for myself, was symptomatic at the time the second laptop failed, lasting for only a further six months but without being consistent in its function.

For your assistance I offer a definition of an inherent fault, which is a fault present at the time of purchase.

Examples are:

• an error in design so that a product is manufactured incorrectly
• an error in manufacturing where a faulty component was inserted.

The "fault" may not become apparent immediately but it was there at the time of sale and so the product was not of satisfactory standard from point of purchase. Under Scottish law, I have five years from the date of purchase to claim. The warranty offered by you is irrelevant as the manifestation of the fault did not become apparent until after the warranty had expired.

All these laptops started to behave erratically, overheating, losing wireless connectivity, shutting down inexplicably and the battery not holding a charge, meaning they could not be used as portable devices unless they were plugged into a power supply. Eventually this culminated in their total demise.
These symptoms displayed are the result of a manufacturing defect caused by the use of a faulty Nvidia chipset (GPU) in the laptops manufacture as previously outlined.

It may interest Tesco to note that other retailers have offered replacements to affected laptops or have given full refunds. This being the case, I do not feel that justice would be best served here, by you offering me any less than this, especially as I am a valued customer of Tesco.

I am well aware that you have already been taken to court by other customers who had purchased these laptops with the same fault and that the decision had gone against Tesco. Please note that the standard letters you send out saying Tesco are unaware of any fault, or to quote Melanie Watt, Tesco Customer services, that you are“ not aware of any inherent defect” will not suffice in this particular situation. I have copied widely available documentation regarding this problem, and am enclosing a proportion for your perusal.

With Tesco’s being the largest retailer in the UK, one expects better or at least the same treatment as other retailers are giving their customers i.e. full refund or replacement. I would be happy if Tesco’s would replace these items for items of similar spec not containing an inherently faulty part. This is by far the most cost effective option for Tesco who can source new machines more cheaply than I, the consumer could.

These machines have been looked at by engineers in the last fortnight and deemed not repairable, all three having the exact same fault, and I was advised to instigate a claim. A report will be obtained if necessary, costs for which I will claim back. I believe we both know the going rate is £65 per report per machine, a sum I would rather was put towards replacement of these machines, when the machine spec clearly states that they are all fitted with the affected GPU chipset.

This problem is well documented on the internet and is recognized by HP, Dell, Apple and Nvidia themselves. Indeed HP, Apple and Dell have all given some customers who purchased direct from them in the UK replacement machines or full refunds. It just seems to depend on how forceful one gets, which is no way to do business and causes untold upset and aggravation for the consumer.

The Sale of Goods Act gives guidance on this matter and it states that all goods should be of:
1) Merchantable quality
2) Free from defects
3) Durable
4) Fit for purpose

Given that the operation of these machines was erratic at best and at worst often left the operator unable to do what was required, I would say that the sale of goods act has certainly been breached.

I would also bring up the fact that to date Nvidia have paid in excess of $475 million in compensation and that figure is rising. They have had judgement against them in federal court and it is likely that all retailers, such as yourselves, will be claiming your costs back from Nvidia in the near future.

I await your response with interest and hope it is specific to this case, one would hope that given three machines of the same make and batch and indeed purchased at the same time have failed due to this inherent fault, that things are clearer in this instance.

Yours Sincerely




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