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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:46 pm 
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Hello Tony,

Tony wrote:
Just before I do can you confirm that it's still possible to do this (ie send the laptop to you for inspection and report etc, thanks?


Yes, we do still provide the reports and for further information please take a look here: need-an-independant-engineers-report-t62.html

If you have any questions or if you need any advice then please let me know.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:52 pm 
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Model: VGNAR51M
Graphics Card: 8600M GS
Amount Paid: 575
Date Purchased: 01 Apr 2010
Date Failed: 01 Sep 2010
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Hello Tony,

Tony wrote:
Just before I do can you confirm that it's still possible to do this (ie send the laptop to you for inspection and report etc, thanks?


Yes, we do still provide the reports and for further information please take a look here: need-an-independant-engineers-report-t62.html

If you have any questions or if you need any advice then please let me know.

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Thanks Paul,

I've just received this e-mail (below) from Macro in reply to the LBA e-mail I sent them last Friday. I've also posted a recorded LBA to them today.

I'm interested in your take on this particularly with regard to the Sale Of Good Act which they seem to be implying doesn't apply to my contract with them.

Kind regards,

Tony

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Dear Mr *******,

Firstly may we thank you for taking the time to contact us with your comments regarding the issue you have with your Sony Laptop.

We would like to assure you that your feedback is very useful to us as it highlights areas we can improve our business and ensure we offer the highest level of service.

As you know we aim to be your business partner on a business to business, not consumer, basis which is why our Returns Policy forms our contract with you for returns rather than the Sale of Goods Act. You confirmed that you are a business and buy on behalf of your business when you joined us which is why Trading Standards agrees that in this policy a twelve month warranty period during which time we will repair or replace faulty goods is a satisfactory remedy. Unfortunately as the item in question is nearly 2 years old we are unable to pursue your complaint.

For further details the Makro returns policy is displayed throughout our stores and is available at http://www.makro.co.uk

We trust this clears up the matter but if we can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us

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Hello Tony,

Unfortunately it is true that a person who purchases in the course of business does not benefit from the same protection that a consumer does.

When you opened your account with Makro did you tell them that you was a private individual?

Is the account in your name?

Did Makro, at any time, tell you that they are a business to business company?

How did you pay for the laptop?

Please let me know and I will advise further.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:17 pm 
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Hello Tony,

Unfortunately it is true that a person who purchases in the course of business does not benefit from the same protection that a consumer does.

When you opened your account with Makro did you tell them that you was a private individual?

Is the account in your name?

Did Makro, at any time, tell you that they are a business to business company?

How did you pay for the laptop?

Please let me know and I will advise further.

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Hi Paul,

Yes, the account is in my name but to be completely honest I never thought about the business to business thing when I joined Macro and therefore just assumed that Macro was just an other shop but clearly that is far from the case and to be fair to them they obviously make it clear that it's a business to business thing not that I've ever taken any notice of their terms and conditions.

As far as I know half of Glasgow has a Macro card and clearly not all of these people are business owners but Macro certainly encourages people to join but I was never made aware that it was a business to business operation (as far as I can recall) with all of the implications of that set up.

However I contacted my local TS this afternoon and according to the TS officer there is a contract between me and Macro and the laptop has to be fit for purpose which it clearly isn't so while I don't have the same protection as a consumer (under the sale of goods act) I can still take them to court just the same as a consumer can in order to claim for recompense.

According to the TS officer I just have to provide proof or evidence that there is an inherent fault with the laptop and then raise a small claims action against Macro for a refund or replacement so I've sent them another e-mail (below) advising that I intend to do just that unless they make me a reasonable offer.

The TS officer told me that the SOGA was put in place to protect consumers because it is presumed that consumers don't have easy access to a solicitor to resolve disputes such as this one of mine however businesses are 'deemed' to have easy access to legal advice/action which is why the SOGA doesn't apply to them however contract law applies in both cases so really there is no real difference between a consumer or business dispute.

I bought the laptop with my CC which is not a business CC and I also still have the receipt.

Kind regards

Tony

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Hi and thanks for the reply.

This laptop stopped working at the beginning of Sept 2010 with display problems
when it was returned to your Glasgow Hillington store who in turn sent it to DCS
London for an assessment as to what is wrong with it however the laptop was
returned to me after a month at my insistence as clearly nothing was being done
and there was no report on the laptop given to me by your assistant manager
(****** ******-sp) of the Glasgow store who was dealing with my complaint.

The Laptop has been manufactured with a Nvidia Geforce 8400 GT GPU, this
graphics chip is one of the graphics chips that has been identified as having
been manufactured with faults that leads to the premature failure of laptops
that it has been installed in.

There is plenty of evidence of these defective Nvidia graphics chips on the
internet and indeed Nvidia has already accepted that these chips are responsible
for the thousands of failed laptops worldwide in which they have been installed.

Clearly this laptop is 'not fit for purpose' so I intend to send it to an
independent computer engineer (the cost of which will be added to the claim) to
obtain a report which I will then use as a basis for a small claims action
against Marco however I would like to resolve this dispute amicably and would be
prepared to accept a replacement laptop of similar quality, a cash refund or
goods to the value of the laptop less a reasonable amount for the age of the
laptop.

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Hello Tony,

It is excellent news that you paid by credit card as this means the card company is jointly and severally liable with Makro for the inherent defectiveness of your laptop.

See what Makro's reply is to your email and if it isn't positive then give the credit card company a call and tell them that you want to make a Section 75 refund claim as your laptop is inherently defective.

They will want to see copies of all your correspondence with Makro plus some corroborating evidence that supports your claim that the laptop is inherently defective.

This means that you will need to obtain an engineers report that will confirm that your laptop is inherently defective. When you get to this stage then please let me know as this is a service that we provide.

There is a step by step guide on this forum that will help you reach a positive resolution and that is here:- post13.html#p13

Whilst the Sale Of Goods Act information in the guide will not be applicable the rest of the guide should help you.

I hope the above helps.

Please let me know what Makro say in reply to your email.

If you have any questions or if you need any advice then please let me know.

Good luck and best wishes

Paul
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Thanks for your interest Paul and for the excellent advice.

I'll update the thread when I have any more information from Makro.

Kind regards,

Tony


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Date Failed: 01 Sep 2010
Hi Guys,

sorry I'm not been back here until now but I've been away on holiday for the past ten days and had no internet access where I was.

Anyway this issue is now resolved :!

After I sent my last e-mail (above) to them (Macro) they got in touch with me by e-mail asking me to get in touch as they wanted to resolve the issue and they gave me the contact details of the person in Glasgow who was dealing with my problems. I finally managed to contact the guy about a week ago by phone and he told me to come into the store and that they would give me a replacement laptop of similar quality.

I talked to the guy again yesterday and he asked me for the model number of the laptop and said that the technology manager would be in touch regarding the replacement and he was, he contacted me last night and gave me an option of two Sony laptops and I chose the one below.

I returned the laptop today and they also refunded me the difference in price between both laptops :D

To say that I was stunned would have been an major understatement but they were as good as their word so well done Macro!

I have no idea why they decided to replace/refund the old laptop but I can only speculate that it was down to this excellent site and the amount of information contained within it regarding this Nvidia defect.

So thanks very much Paul for all of the advice and the help offered in this thread and the best of luck to everyone else currently struggling to come to a decent result, don't give up guys and keep at them but be polite and firm 8-)

Regards,

Tony

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Hello Tony,

Well done on your success :! :! :! :!

Well done also to Macro, it is like a breath of fresh when the retailer conforms in the way they have.

The laptop you have chosen is very nice and I hope it gives you years of faithful service.

Good luck and best wishes for the future.

Best wishes

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Thanks again Paul.

Yes I have to say that Macro have definitely displayed excellent customer service in this issue.

I had my doubts about them which are documented in the thread but they have finally come through.

Kind regards Paul and keep up the good work.
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