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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:54 pm 
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Laptop Make: Sony
Model: VGN-NR21Z/T
Graphics Card: 8600M GS
Purchased From: Website Sale
Amount Paid: 600
Date Purchased: 27 May 2008
Date Failed: 26 Feb 2011
Hello all!

I've been reading through the forums (really informative - I can't believe how dodgy some retailers/manufacturers and Nvidia have been!). My laptop has recently died and it appears to have one of the affected graphics cards models, but a lot of people seem to have mentioned having a different issue to the one I'm having, so I wanted to check if it sounds like it is the graphics card from someone more knowledgeable!

I bought the laptop in May 2008 and it went wrong a couple of weeks ago. When I try to start it up, it doesn't get any lines on the screen like a lot of other people have mentioned, instead the power light comes on and the fan begins, the HD accessing light (sorry, don't know the proper name for it!) flickers on a couple of times and then stays off. Nothing comes on the screen at all, it stays completely black, and nothing else happens with the laptop - the power light stays on, but there are no other sounds (just the fan) or lights. The HD appears to be fine - it's currently in a caddy being used as an external drive so I can still work on my files (very important as I'm a trainee teacher and need those documnents!) and we've cleaned it out with some spray air (twice!). I took it to a local repairs shop today and he tried some new RAM to check if that was the problem, but it made no difference, so he suggested that it appears to be the motherboard or the graphics card.

From what I've read, it does seem that the NR21Z is affected by the defect, but I'm not sure if that's what's caused the problem with my laptop as I haven't had any display issues. Please, can anyone help??? If it sounds like it is the graphics card, then I'll start trying to solve it that way and see if Sony/Caboodle will replace/refund/fix, but if it's not then I've been given a quote for £330 to replace the motherboard, which I really can't afford.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Clare


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:27 pm 
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Hello Clare and welcome to our forum.

Sorry to hear that your laptop has failed.

There are many different manifestations of the defect including loss of wireless, distorted or corrupt graphics, random lines, colours and artefacts and no display.

It could well be that the GPU in your laptop is defective though without further testing it would be wrong of me to state definitively that your laptop is inherently defective.

The fact that your laptop contains an 8400 GPU which is one of the more prolific of the GPU's means that it is highly possible that your laptop is indeed inherently defective.

The tests that we perform when evaluating these laptops prove the defect 100% because a side effect of the test is that the laptop will then work for an indeterminate amount of time.

We have performed this test over and over again and it is just about the only test that can be done where the results are irrefutable.

If you would like us to evaluate your laptop for the defect and provide you with a report if it is defective then we can do that for you. If, after testing, it transpires that your laptop has failed for another reason, then all you would pay is the cost of the collect and return carriage, which would be £20.

Alternatively, if it is not the defect but can be repaired then I will quote you on the cost of repair. If you choose not to proceed with a repair then all you would pay is the collect and return carriage.

What do you think?

Any questions please let me know.

Best wishes

Paul
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Date Purchased: 27 May 2008
Date Failed: 26 Feb 2011
Hi Paul,

Thanks a lot for coming back to me, especially so quickly! Also, thanks for the information - I understand you can't diagnose the issue through a description, but if others have had the lack of display issue, then Nvidia might be the problem with mine.

I think I'm going to call Sony and Caboodle tomorrow and see if I get anywhere like that (never know, I might be lucky!), but if they won't play ball, I'll send it over to you for diagnosis as that sounds like a good idea and a great service.

Thanks a lot for setting this site up, Paul - I would never have known about this defect if not for you. I'm sure you're saving lots of other people from just buying a new laptop or paying loads for repairs (which is what I nearly did today!) when it might be replaced/refunded, so a big thank you!

Let's see what Sony and Caboodle say tomorrow - watch this space!

Clare


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Hello Clare,

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Thanks a lot for setting this site up, Paul - I would never have known about this defect if not for you. I'm sure you're saving lots of other people from just buying a new laptop or paying loads for repairs (which is what I nearly did today!) when it might be replaced/refunded, so a big thank you!


Thank you for your kind words Clare, much appreciated.

That was the very reason why I set this forum up. I felt that it was wrong that customers were either paying an exorbitant amount to repair their laptop or were simply throwing them away.

I also realised that a lot of people were unaware of the six year rule that the Sale Of Goods Act affords us and that the basis of the claim would benefit from this rule.

I get great satisfaction helping people reach a positive resolution and think I have become a bit of a thorn in the sides of some of the retailers.

In fact one retailer, who for the moment will remain anonymous, has even gone as far as sending customers a letter in reply to the engineers report in which they seek to discredit me, my company, the reports I produce and basically make a veiled statement to the effect that if HP doesn't state that a laptop is inherently defective then it cannot possibly be inherently defective. Of course, their motives were obvious even to the uneducated.

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Let's see what Sony and Caboodle say tomorrow - watch this space!


Good luck with that Clare, fingers crossed they respond with a positive offer of a resolution. :x

Any questions please let me know.

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Date Purchased: 27 May 2008
Date Failed: 26 Feb 2011
Hi Paul,

Well, it sounds like you've got the retailers running scared - that can be the only reason for such a poisonous response!

Sony basically said that if it's not on their list then it can't possibly be defective :roll:

And the retailer Caboodle said that it wasn't their problem as they only accept returns up to six months ... even after I quoted the Sale of Goods Act. But, hey, clearly the law is wrong, not them! :roll: Yep, I did a lot of eye-rolling on Friday!

I've just finished writing a letter to Caboodle - I hope you don't mind, but I tinkered with your template LBA. I'm a former legal secretary (in debt-collection, in fact) and an English teacher, so I can't resist editing texts, plus I wanted to get something in the letter about their ridiculous claims about returns!

In case it proves useful or interesting to anyone else, here's a copy of the letter I'm posting tomorrow:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: Laptop Make: Sony
Laptop Model: VGN-NR21Z/T
Date of Purchase: 27th May 2008
Price Paid: £602.76 (inc VAT)
Date Failed: 26th February 2011

I am writing further to my telephone conversation with your customer service representative XXXX on the afternoon of 25th March.

I called your company regarding the laptop detailed above that I bought from you, which then failed due to what I believe to be a defective Nvidia graphics chip.

I have spoken to a number of people who are very experienced with regard to this problem and have been informed that this issue is affecting thousands of laptops worldwide. This issue is well documented on the internet and is recognized by HP, Dell, Apple, Sony and Nvidia themselves. Simply Google “Nvidia defect” and you will see that there are thousands of unhappy customers in possession of very expensive door-stops.

You have to appreciate I have paid a lot of my hard earned money for this laptop and would reasonably expect a laptop costing over £600 to last far longer than two years and nine months.

When I outlined this to your representative I was told that they were unable to help me due to the fact that the laptop is now beyond the “six-month return period” your company apparently offers and it is also out of warranty. I was informed that I would need to contact Sony themselves as it was the responsibility of the manufacturer, not your company as the retailer.

I am sure I do not have to remind you of your obligations under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended). As the laptop has failed due to an inherent defect, it is not of satisfactory quality nor is it durable and so you are in breach of our sales contract. I am also sure that I do not need to remind you that under this Act consumers in fact have up to six years to make a claim for faulty goods from the retailer, not the manufacturer.

I am therefore giving you this last opportunity to remedy the situation. I am formally giving you seven days from the date of this letter to either:-

· Replace my laptop free of charge, or
· Refund the purchase price of the laptop.

If I do not receive a response to this matter within the next seven days, then I will have no option but to take action through the Small Claims Courts.

Without a satisfactory resolution, you will leave me with no alternative but to obtain an engineer’s report, the costs of which will be claimed from yourselves. I will then use that report, along with the myriad articles of information that are available to pursue this matter through the legal system.

As your company’s policy in relation to returns flouts British law, part of my action will also involve contacting Watchdog and the Trading Standards Institute, who enforce consumer legislation.

I look forward to hearing from you on or before Monday 4th April 2011.

Yours faithfully,



I suspect I'll be in contact about that report, Paul ... let's see if/when they get back to me!

Clare


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Hello Clare and welcome to our forum.

Sorry to hear that your laptop has failed.

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Well, it sounds like you've got the retailers running scared - that can be the only reason for such a poisonous response!


Well, a couple of customer have had poisonous responses this week from two different retailers.

Of course, whilst the responses were poisonous they will not help the retailer one iota when the claims involved reach the small claims court.

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And the retailer Caboodle said that it wasn't their problem as they only accept returns up to six months


Do you think the person who wrote that missed the Sale Of Goods Act training day?

Why else should they make such an incorrect statement?

I think that the six months that they are referring to are the first six months of ownership during which time the retailer has to prove there is not a defect with the laptop should a problem occur. After six months there becomes what is known as the reverse burden of proof which means it is up to you, the customer, to prove that there is an inherent defect.

In any event, Caboodle is obligated to you for six years from the date of purchase, not six months as they incorrectly state.

Let's see if your well drafted letter prompts them into action. If not then you should obtain an engineers report and send them a copy.

If they still fail to comply with their obligations then you should sue them in the small claims court.

If your laptop is indeed inherently defective then you really cannot lose.

Good luck with the letter and I look forward to your next update.

Best wishes

Paul
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