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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:33 pm 
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Date Purchased: 17 Oct 2007
Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
After a bit of a tug-of-war with ASUS, I've decided to call on some professional help.

I've made myself a member of a well known Portuguese Consumer's Rights organization who have accepted to take my case to court for me but they'd like to know if NVIDIA themselves ever actually made a statement saying that the GPU's are defective, in other words, they want to hear it from the horse's mouth if that information is made available.

Is there such a link?


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Hello Sensei_Sin,

Well done on that, things are looking up.

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......they'd like to know if NVIDIA themselves ever actually made a statement saying that the GPU's are defective, in other words, they want to hear it from the horse's mouth if that information is made available.

Is there such a link?


Yes there is, it is in Nvidia's 10K filing to the SEC (Securities and Exchanges Commission) and a link to that is here:- http://biz.yahoo.com/e/100318/nvda10-k.html

If you look down to the section that is headed "Product Defect" you can see Nvidia's admittance of this problem.

You could also take a look at this video, which is the CEO of Nvidia admitting the fault:- video-of-nvidia-ceo-jen-hsung-huang-admitting-problems-t180.html

Here is a transcript of that interview:- topic362.html

You could also take a look at this, which is the court documents for the NUFI vs Nvidia case:- nufi-vs-nvidia-document-1-of-court-filing-t396.html

NUFI (National Union Fire Insurance) are Nvidia's very own insurance company and this action surrounds payments made by Nvidia to several OEM's in respect of the Nvidia defect.

I hope the above helps you.

Please keep us updated on your progress.

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Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
Thank you very, very much for all the help.

I am sure that, because of all the information you have provided, that my case will have a swift resolution. :)

I will keep you guys posted with whatever happens.


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Date Failed: 21 Jul 2010
Hi Everyone,

I'm going to have to add another Asus G1S to the list of damaged goods.

I have recently experienced the "black screen on start-up" issue and tried all the recommendations on the Asus website. I contacted Asus to ask about collection and repair, which I was seriously considering despite the expense.

Luckily I stumbled across this forum and found I was not alone. Based on the advice on the site, I have now contacted laptopsdirect.co.uk to arrange a refund or replacement. I'll keep you updated on how the process goes.

Thanks to the guys who started the forum. I might get some success with your help.


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Hello Bumblefrusse and welcome to our forum.

Sorry to hear of the problems you are experiencing with your laptop.

I have heard mixed reports about Laptopsdirect.co.uk - some good some bad. The key to success is persistence.

They may try to fob you off with the tired old line "Sorry sir but you are out of warranty". If they say this you should tell them that the warranty status is irrelevant as you have six years to take action when the goods in question are inherently defective.

They may then tell you to contact Asus. You should tell them that your contract (the sales contract) is with them and not with Asus so it is up to them to resolve the situation.

Don't let them fob you off, be polite but stand your ground. Persistence is the key to success.

If you need any help or advice along the way then please let me know.

Good luck and best wishes

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Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
I finally managed to initiate dialog with ASUS to a point where they no longer brush me off nor say I'm wrong.

After talking to them, they said that the European law in question is only a directive and, therefore, holds little to no ground and they still claim that with no warranty there is no replacement. After this I sent an email thoroughly explaining what the NVIDIA defect is, how I am affected, how ASUS is aware of it and how NVIDIA has provided a fund to ASUS to replace said equipment.

Their answer was:

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Estimado cliente,

Antes de nada, obrigado pelas palavras.

O fundo destinado pela Nvidia, para cubrir tais equipamentos, sempre serão destinados a equipamentos ainda cobertos pela garantia.

Infelizmente não é o caso, e portanto não podemos realizar tal operação.

Se desejar enviar uma sugerência à Asus, por favor preencha o forumlário contido no link a continuação:

http://vip.asus.com/eservice/cus_suggest.aspx


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Esteemed constumer,

First of all, we would like to thank you for your words.

The NVIDIA fund, which covers said equipments, will always be destined to equipment that is still under the effect of warranty.

Unfortunately that is not the case therefore we cannot do the operation in question.

If you wish to appeal to ASUS via a suggestion, please fill in the form provided on the link below:



I find this rather odd. How can the NVIDIA fund only be destined to equipment under warranty if NVIDIA only provided it recently and, due to the nature of the defect itself, you just can't tell if your equipment has the defect until it's too late. What I can extract from this email are the following facts:

-ASUS knows very well about the NVIDIA defect.
-ASUS knows very well about the NVIDIA fund.
-ASUS implicitly admits that I am affected by the NVIDIA defect.
-Although ASUS knew about the NVIDIA defect, they refused to admit it until now and instead offered a repair that is impossible.

The curious thing is that they actually offer a warranty for the repair itself, which in the end doesn't solve the issue and gives them the conditions required to tap onto the NVIDIA fund, since they say that only if you have warranty can you benefit from it.

Once again I ask for your help because it seems like I've hit a wall here and I don't know how to overcome this hurdle. Do you have any other information, help or advice on how and what should I do next?

Thank you so very much for all the help and hope you have provided so far.


Anther event that happened to me, which is peculiar to say the least, is that when I got my laptop back from the RMA I tried to turn it on and it didn't work. I forgetfully left it on a table next to a window for the whole afternoon by accident and it got very hot. Afraid I might have damaged any other part of the laptop, I booted it to see if it still worked (to the extent of making the BIOS sounds and windows log in sounds, etc) and, astonishingly, the picture appeared. I've kept the computer running ever since and I am posting this from my G1S.

I talked to my my brother about this, who is a computer engineer, and he said that in theory the heat (and maybe due to some sort of dumb luck) could have somehow stimulated the solder to make the card work for a short while. After that, since the card is being used and runs considerably hot (68~72ºC on idle and 82~92º under stress) the heat reshaped the solders enough to make it work. However he's of the opinion that if the solder cools down enough it will break again due to the fact that it will contract once cold.

With that said, I still plan on pursuing ASUS as much as I can since the product is still defective. Also under no circumstance should you try to heat up your computer. It was a stupid mistake to leave the computer exposed to direct sunlight and that kind of heat, it could have easily damaged the computer in many other ways.


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Hello Sensei,

I am sorry to see that you are still no further forward with Asus.

I cannot believe how badly they treat their customers and how they get away with it.

It is a scandalous situation and something needs to be done.

What I cannot understand is where Asus states:-

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The NVIDIA fund, which covers said equipments, will always be destined to equipment that is still under the effect of warranty.


The fund should cover ALL instances of the defect whether in warranty or out.

It is completely unfair to customers who have purchased a laptop that contains one of these defective chips and why should it be the customer that bears the brunt of the cost of this defect?

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Do you have any other information, help or advice on how and what should I do next?


As you are not resident in the UK it is very difficult to help as you do not have the protection of the Sale Of Goods Act. The only thing I can say is that you should seek some legal advice in your country to see if there is any action you can take against Asus.

I would love to be able to offer you some definitive advice, but sadly am unable to do so.

I do hope that you can get a resolution and would be very interested to know if you do.

Please keep us updated on your progress.

Good luck and best wishes

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