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 Post subject: Re: HP PAVILION DV9399
PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:45 pm 
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County court sent form to say Comet have acknowledgment of service and are going to defend all of the claim ( Signed by Lesley Laws Operations Manager ) Dated the 2/3/10


Well, judging by the number of refunds they have been giving they are going to find it very hard to defend this in court.

Have you seen this recent post:- post2782.html#p2782

It is just a matter of time now, can't you just smell that sparkling new laptop.

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Date Purchased: 29 Jul 2007
Date Failed: 13 Dec 2009
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What is their defence?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:22 pm 
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Model: PAVILION DV9399
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Date Purchased: 29 Jul 2007
Date Failed: 13 Dec 2009
Comets defence reads as follows:-
1. The claimant purchased a Hewlett Packard laptop from us on 29 July 2007. He paid £1199.99 for the laptop.
2. Having had the laptop since July 2007 we aver that based on time the claimant has accept it and therefore waived the right to now reject it and obtain a full refund.
3. We deny that the claimant was advised by Amy that should the fault be confirmed by a Comet engineer a refund would be given. All Comet customer Service colleagues are fully aware that in the event of a problem occuring with a product a repair would be carried out. A refund would not be offered. We therefore put the claimant to strict proof of this allegation.
4. The independant report the claimant obtained only states that in the writers opinion the laptop had an inherant defect at the time of purchase. Given the age of the laptop the Sales of Goods Act puts the onus on the claimant to prove that the fault was present at the time of purchase and therefore aver that the claimant has not provided this proof.
5. The claimant states that the independant report also states it is impossible to repair the unit to quarantee the inherant defect has been removed. We aver that this statement only refers to the indendant company that compiled the report. It is not a statement made by the defendant.
6. Having had the laptop since July 2007 the claimant is not entitled to a free of charge repair.
7. In addition to a full refund the claimant is attempting to claim a further £184.99 but has not provided any substantiation of this cost.

Signed by Lesley Laws. Operations Manager.

I had to look up the word aver and found that it meant to assert or affirm.
Lesley Laws must be psychic as he has not seen a copy of lapcures report yet.
I would be grateful for any ones comments or suggestions as soon as possible as I have to return these forms to my local court by the 6th April.
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Hello 69bugs,

That is just a template defence by them so nothing to worry about here.

I will answer all their points below.

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1. The claimant purchased a Hewlett Packard laptop from us on 29 July 2007. He paid £1199.99 for the laptop.


That seems ok, nothing to worry about.

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2. Having had the laptop since July 2007 we aver that based on time the claimant has accept it and therefore waived the right to now reject it and obtain a full refund.


Not quite true that. The customer has six years to take action against a retailer. If the goods cannot be repaired (which it cannot due to the unavailability of reliable parts) then you are indeed entitled to a refund.

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3. We deny that the claimant was advised by Amy that should the fault be confirmed by a Comet engineer a refund would be given. All Comet customer Service colleagues are fully aware that in the event of a problem occuring with a product a repair would be carried out. A refund would not be offered. We therefore put the claimant to strict proof of this allegation.


You should contact Comet cutomers services and request, under the Data Protection Act, a copy of that phone call.

Are they trying to say you are lying? If I remember rightly didn't they first say that there wasn't someone called Amy who worked there but then you called and spoke to her?

This is your word against theirs and you should push the point of the transcript of the phone call.

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4. The independant report the claimant obtained only states that in the writers opinion the laptop had an inherant defect at the time of purchase. Given the age of the laptop the Sales of Goods Act puts the onus on the claimant to prove that the fault was present at the time of purchase and therefore aver that the claimant has not provided this proof.


This is where they are twisting what the report actually says.

On page 3 of your report it states:-

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There was no need to test the laptop further anyway as the results of the “rework” test proved conclusively that the Nvidia chip resident in this laptop is indeed defective.

The fault that is present in this laptop is a classic example of the defect that is widely reported in Nvidia GPU’s and the fact that they are failing in huge numbers due to overheating.

Had the Nvidia GPU not been defective then I would not have seen the image display correctly after “reworking” it.


Could I have been more precise than that?

I did end the report by stating that it was my opinion that the laptop was inherently defective at the time of purchase but that was also based on the irrefutable facts before me.

They also state "Given the age of the laptop the Sales of Goods Act puts the onus on the claimant to prove that the fault was present at the time of purchase and therefore aver that the claimant has not provided this proof."

The report you have most certainly does prove that your laptop is inherently defective at the time of purchase.

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5. The claimant states that the independant report also states it is impossible to repair the unit to quarantee the inherant defect has been removed. We aver that this statement only refers to the indendant company that compiled the report. It is not a statement made by the defendant.


This is where they are playing games now and trying to cloudy the waters.

There are no reliable parts available at this time. This includes complete mainboards or the Nvidia GPU's themselves.

If the replacement GPU is defective, which it most probably is, then we cannot state that the defect has been removed.

I was not saying that I lacked the technical skills to be able to replace an Nvidia GPU I was saying there are no GPU's available that will not be potentially inherently defective.

Therefore I was quite correct when I stated that it would be impossible to guarantee that the inherent defect had been removed.

Furthermore, there is a post on this forum from Staples who concur with my beliefs that there are no reliable parts available.

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6. Having had the laptop since July 2007 the claimant is not entitled to a free of charge repair.


Well you are because it is inherently defective and it is their duty and obligation to put it right.

The fact that they wouldn't give a written guarantee confirming that the repair would be free from the defect means that any offer of a repair would have been rejected anyway.

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7. In addition to a full refund the claimant is attempting to claim a further £184.99 but has not provided any substantiation of this cost.


Have you provided them with any receipts to confirm your costs?

You would need to do this for the court anyway.

You also said:-

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Lesley Laws must be psychic as he has not seen a copy of lapcures report yet.


Is that right? Because if it is the case then I would like to remove the words "It is my opinion" at the end of the report and replace them with "I have proved"

I will change that wording in future reports now as it says what I meant anyway.

Did you not send them the PDF copy of your report?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:05 pm 
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Model: G6000 x 2
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Amount Paid: 399
Date Purchased: 17 Dec 2007
Date Failed: 21 Nov 2009
Hi 69bugs and Paul,
I have 2 HP G6031 laptops.
My court case is the same as yours,1st acknowledgement to defend was dated the 2/3/10 signed by Lesley Laws operations manager, the defence arrived yesterday 19/03/10 the same as you, comet defence reads as followed:-
1. The Claimant purchased 2 Hewlett Packard laptops from us on 16 December 2007. He paid 399.99 for each laptop.
2. Having had the laptops since December 2007 we aver that based on time the Claimant has accept them and therefore waived the right to now reject them and obtain a full refund.
3. The independent report the Claimant obtained only states that in the writer?s opinion the laptops had an inherent defect at the time of purchase. Given the age of the laptops the Sale of Goods Act puts the onus on the Claimant to prove that the fault was present at the time of purchase and therefore aver that the Claimant has not provided this proof.
4. Having had the laptop since July 2007 the Claimant is not entitled to a free of charge repair, however he was offered compensation in the form of a repair at a reduce cost, which we believe conforms to the requirements of the Sale of Goods Act.
5. In addition to a full refund of both laptops the Claimant is also attemptingto claim a further 200.01 but has not provided any substantiation of these alleged costs.

Signed by
The defendant believes that the facts stated in this form are true. I am duly authorised by the defendant to sign this statement. Lesley Laws
Position
Operations Manager.

1st of all they refer to me as a HE, 2nd they do not seem to recognize Pauls engineers reports, 3rd they can not get the date right [The Claimant purchased 2 Hewlett Packard laptops from us on 16 December 2007.] and then [ Having had the laptop since July 2007] and finally [ In addition to a full refund of both laptops the Claimant is also attemptingto claim a further 200.01 but has not provided any substantiation of these alleged costs.] I have posted them the cost of the 2 reports and told them I was also claiming for extra costs eg postage, telephone calls, time etc.
Hope this will help you,

Best wishes to all,
Hayley3686

Paul,
Do I need to send in all my evidence with the Allocation questionnaire?


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Hello Hayley,

I replied to this post on your other thread and that can be found here:- post3118.html#p3118

I answered all their defence points and came to the conclusion that their defence is actually no defence and is littered with mistakes and inaccuracies.

Regarding your evidence, yes, you should send all your evidence into the court.

I would also include the following document in your evidence:- http://biz.yahoo.com/e/100318/nvda10-k.html
which shows the scale of compensation Nvidia are paying out.

Good luck Hayley and if you have any questions then please let me know.

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Date Purchased: 29 Jul 2007
Date Failed: 13 Dec 2009
To day got letter from court to go to mediation,or tell court within 7 days why not.
Any help would be good


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Hello 69bugs,

Well, a judge certainly cannot hold it against you for not accepting mediation.

To be honest, Comet have had long enough now to settle this. Mediation will just be a waste of your time as I do not believe it will bring you anything new.

I would contact the courts and state that Comet have had months and months to mediate and have failed to offer anything satisfactory and that you feel only a court hearing will resolve your situation.

I hope this helps.

Good luck and best wishes

Paul
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