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 Post subject: Re: TESCO
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:10 pm 
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Hello DP,

Well, that is the brilliant thing about forums like this.

That other customers can publicly relate their experiences and communications with these retailers.

It is only then, when you start to examine the information coming through, that you realise how these companies work.

For Ms Watts to say "I have searched our database regarding your laptop and I can advise that your complaint is the only one received regarding this model in the past year" is, in my opinion, quite clearly incorrect or worse - a lie!

She must have searched their "happy customer" database rather than their "unhappy customer" database or even not searched at all, because we all know they have experienced returns with your model laptop.

At the end of the day they sold you a laptop that was doomed to fail prematurely whether they knew it at the time or not. This is not your problem, this is their problem and you should not accept their paltry offer.

If they did not believe there was a problem with your laptop would they offer you a "partial refund" of £160?

Let's be honest, Tesco's don't give away money just because they are feeling benevolent, they must know, or have serious reasons to believe, that your laptop is inherently defective.

If you were to proceed to court you would get a minimum of £246 (not including your costs) and if they don't turn up to defend it then you will get 100% of your money back.

Their offer is far from fair and I would now proceed to the next step.

Their position is indefensible.

If you need any help or advice then please let me know.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:55 am 
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Model: HP g6000
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Date Failed: 20 Dec 2010
Letter before Action sent today by recorded delivery to Tesco Registered Office
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Good luck with that.

Can't you just smell that sparkling new laptop with your name on it?

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Hi ya....any update on this?

Looks like Im about to start playing the same game with tesco.


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I have issued small claim proceedings as Tesco would not acknowledge that this was an inherent defect, in fact they closed their file on my complaints.

As a matter of interest, I filed my claim on the 29/3 Tesco acknowledged my claim on the 9/4, they now have 28 days to file a defence as they have intimated they will be challenging the entire claim, is this from the 29/3 or the 9/4?


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Date Failed: 25 Sep 2009
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As a matter of interest, I filed my claim on the 29/3 Tesco acknowledged my claim on the 9/4, they now have 28 days to file a defence as they have intimated they will be challenging the entire claim, is this from the 29/3 or the 9/4?


The 28 days runs from the 'Date of Service' (normally a couple of days after you issued the claim). Basically they originally had 14 days from the date of service to respond to the claim & by sending the Acknowledgment have extended this to 28 days.

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some of this is quite laughable, but Paul i'll need some help to correctly phrase my response please, btw thanks for repairing my laptop for £65, BUT I'M AFRAID IT'S FAILED AGAIN ALREADY :@

On page three of this thread there is a copy of Melanie Watt's letter stating that they were unable to offer a repair as it "would not be economically viable", which in my view rather negates paragraph 5 of the particulars of claim, what HP have to do with it as my contract is with Tesco I'm not totally sure


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Hello Cushley,

Well, their "defence" to these claims have become more laughable by the day.

The first two points of their defence are merely statements of fact so nothing to worry about there.

Point number 3 of their defence could be true in part, as there could be a reduction in the refund value to allow for usage. I calculate that the refund you would receive, should there be a reduction for usage, would be in the region of £227, which is more that they are offering.

Regarding point 4 of their defence, the fact that there would be betterment.

Considering that your laptop was doomed to fail prematurely from the date you parted with your hard earned cash I would say that you should be entitled to either a refund or replacement laptop.

How can they talk about betterment when their offer of a refund wouldn't come close to the cost of a laptop, so accepting their offer would actually put you in a worse position.

Tesco must have some form of guarantee from whoever they purchased these laptops from so why can't they just call on that instead of the customer taking the hit?

Considering the billions of pounds of profit that Tesco have announced it is not going to break them!

Now we get to the ridiculous part of their defence, the "Particulars Of Claim"

They state:-

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The laptop has been repaired, which cost the customer £65 from a laptop repairer and is currently in working order


What a ill-informed, untrue and factually incorrect statement to make!

In your report it clearly states:-

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It should be noted that at the moment the laptop is working. This is a side-effect of the rework test that I performed.

The fact that the laptop is currently working should not be taken as an indication that it has been repaired. The laptop will fail again though the length of time that it will last after the rework test is indeterminable.


Now, does that state that I have repaired your laptop?

I even emboldened it as I have above to stress the point.

I could not have been more explicit in that statement which makes me think one of the following:-

1) They have chosen not to read your report
2) They got bored after starting to read it (it is 4 pages long) and didn't get to the end
3) They didn't understand the statement
4) They did understand the statement but hope that the judge won't
5) They don't know what they are talking about.

If they had indeed read your report they would see that there is no mention of a repair.

In fact, the report also explicitly states that a repair is not recommended due to the unreliability of either spare parts or a reworked repair.

The report will absolutely thrash that point in court once the judge reads the report.

They then go on to state that you have failed to take into account that a laptop depreciates quicker in the early years of it's life.

(I have to say at this point that it depreciates even quicker when it's inherently defective)

The point here is that the laptop breaches both your Statutory Rights and your rights under the Sale Of Goods Act.

This is not just an ordinary case of a laptop failing after two years of use; your laptop was doomed to fail and therefore all this baloney about how quickly a laptop depreciates is just nonsense which clouds the real facts.

They then go on to state that HP would be happy to offer a repair.

Were they prepared to give you the written guarantee that the parts that would be used would be free from the defect?

If not, you have to ask yourself why not.

I always say that if a retailer is not prepared to give a written guarantee stating that the parts being used will be free from the defect then the offer of a repair should be refused. If they do not have the confidence to offer such a written guarantee then how can you have the confidence to accept it?

The Nvidia 10K filings state the size of the problem and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

These defective GPU's are not selective, in other words they are not just in laptops. They are also on the thousands upon thousands of spare parts that are in circulation. Which is why I always ask for a part number so that I can check the status of the spare part being used.

I hope the above fully answers their defence for you.

If you have any questions or queries then please let me know.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:22 pm 
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a little bit of advice required please, in the other info section(G)on the allocation questinaire is this the appropriate section to rebut the tesco defence with attached documentation, (for example their defence says that they could offer a free repair yet I have a letter from Tesco stating that a repair is not viable) or do I wait for the hearing to rebut their defence?

if I wait for the hearing to rebut their defence what do I put in section G?


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Date Purchased: 09 Apr 2007
Date Failed: 22 Aug 2009
cushley wrote:
some of this is quite laughable, but Paul i'll need some help to correctly phrase my response please, btw thanks for repairing my laptop for £65, BUT I'M AFRAID IT'S FAILED AGAIN ALREADY :@


This one made made me grin :lol:

Yes their defence is pretty much a joke, just like every other retailer's when it comes to the small claim defence :)

Good luck cushley I hope they don't even bother turning up otherwise they're going to get grilled by you and the county judge.

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