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 Post subject: Another ASUS G1S death
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:38 pm 
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Date Purchased: 17 Oct 2007
Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
Hello everyone,

My G1S just died recently. It turns on, boots just fine, you can hear the sounds of the BIOS POSt and Window's login sound but it never ever displays image. My feeling is that it's a busted GPU.

My GPU is a GeForce 8600GT and I've called ASUS, who promptly assigned me a RMA number and picked up my laptop. Now they want me to pay a $600 repair bill because they want to replace my motherboard. I called ASUS support center and they say that they never herad of faulty GPU's and that they'd only give me anything (refund or anything else) would be if my laptop was still under warranty. I don't believe them.

Please fellow people who have suffered at the hands of bad GPU's and poor service support, what can I do? I've requested the information about what board will they use on my laptop, it's status (new/refurbished) and if they have it on stock but they have not answered me.

I'm from Portugal, by the way. Doesn't the European Union have some sort or directives against these kinds of shenanigans?

I appreciate all your help.


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Hello Sensei and welcome to our forum.

Sorry to hear of the problems you are experiencing with your laptop.

Why didn't Asus tell you that you would have to pay $600 BEFORE you shipped your laptop to them?

I certainly would not pay them this sum - or any sum at all!

You should take a look at this link:- http://tinyurl.com/yv8slj which is Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees.

In this it states:-

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1. The seller shall be held liable under Article 3 where the lack of conformity becomes apparent within two years as from delivery of the goods. If, under national legislation, the rights laid down in Article 3(2) are subject to a limitation period, that period shall not expire within a period of two years from the time of delivery.


It also goes on to state:-

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2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if they:

(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as a sample or model;

(b) are fit for any particular purpose for which the consumer requires them and which he made known to the seller at the time of conclusion of the contract and which the seller has accepted;

(c) are fit for the purposes for which goods of the same type are normally used;

(d) show the quality and performance which are normal in goods of the same type and which the consumer can reasonably expect, given the nature of the goods and taking into account any public statements on the specific characteristics of the goods made about them by the seller, the producer or his representative, particularly in advertising or on labelling.


Article 3 of this law states:-

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1. The seller shall be liable to the consumer for any lack of conformity which exists at the time the goods were delivered.


It also states:-

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3. In the first place, the consumer may require the seller to repair the goods or he may require the seller to replace them, in either case free of charge, unless this is impossible or disproportionate.


So, in short you have two years to take action against the retailer.

I would not let Asus get away with this and would issue a court claim in your county against them.

I certainly would not pay Asus and would tell them that you require your laptop back in order to take legal action against them. This may sway them into offering some form of resolution.

Good luck and if you have any questions please let me know.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:02 pm 
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Thank you so MUCH for your reply :D

Unfortunately I think that the store I bought my laptop from went under and declared bankrupt. Is there anything I can still do if that is the case?


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Hello Sensei,

That depends on how you paid. If you paid by credit card then you would have some form of recourse against the card company as they are equally liable with the retailer in cases like this.

If you paid for the laptop by any other method then you should look at the possibility of suing Asus for supplying an inherently defective laptop to the retailer of which you are the recipient.

You could argue that in the absence of the retailer you wish to seek redress against Asus. They probably will not want to go to court so could offer a form of resolution.

If they don't then I would suggest you seek some legal advice in your country to see if you really can take action against Asus.

What do you think?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
I paid my laptop through a loan that I contracted at the time to help me pay for it. I still have all the documentation related to said loan. Would that help any?

I bought my laptop from a store call PowerOn but they got the laptop from a supplier called Niposom, which is still very much in business. Could I contact Niposom and try to get a refund?


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Hello Sensei,

The story becomes cloudy when it starts to pass through other distributors and I doubt that you would be able to seek redress through the distributor.

In my book Asus is the one to pursue.

I seriously suggest that you seek some legal advice though to properly clarify your rights - if any.

Are you still paying for the loan or is that all paid up?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:27 pm 
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Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
I've already paid all of the loan and I have asked for some legal assistance from the local Consumer's Rights organization. I'm just waiting for them to send me a reply.
I finished paying for the loan on April of 2008.

I'm just afraid that I'll end up with a pile of nothing that costed me so much to pay for back then, which is why I was wondering if the distributor could be, somehow, held responsible for it or issue me a refund/repair.

If I call ASUS again, should I just ask for a refund based on the European Union directive and providing them with information about the faulty GPU's?


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Hello Sensei,

I always recommend that you ask for a 100% refund and then accept an offer (if it is reasonable).

The reason I say this is because you may tell them a figure that is lower than what they may be prepared to settle at.

Good luck Sensei and please keep us updated on your progress.

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Date Purchased: 17 Oct 2007
Date Failed: 24 Jun 2010
Thank you very much for all your support.

I'll wait until Monday to try to call the shop I bought the laptop from via phone, even though I've already emailed them on both emails that I used in the past to communicate with them.

Meanwhile I'll draft an email to ASUS, based on the information provided by you and your awesome site, with links to specific information, so that I can demand from them a refund or push this to the courts. Hopefully they'll just want to settle out of court and give me what I want with little fuss.

What I don't understand is that people from Portugal in other forums have had issues with ASUS about the same kind of laptop and with the same issues and they got refunded with little to no issues. When I confronted them (ASUS) with such information they said I was wrong and that none such actions were ever done. Why deny something that they already did in the past? Are they just hoping I give up?


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hello Sensei,

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Why deny something that they already did in the past? Are they just hoping I give up?


That is exactly it!

Let's say that 100 customers all complained to Asus and Asus fobbed them all off. Let's say that 20% gave up and just purchased another laptop but 80% carried on.

Well, under these circumstances they have saved refunding those 20 customers. So from that point of view it makes sense to fob customers off to see how many they can actually fob off without it costing them a dime.

Happens all the time here in the UK as well.

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