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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:53 am 
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Laptop Make: Acer
Model: 5920G
Graphics Card: 8400M GS
Purchased From: High Street Store
Amount Paid: 700
Date Purchased: 05 Jan 2008
Date Failed: 01 Dec 2009
Paul,

Thanks for the super-speedy response - much appreciated.

Don't worry; I'm not doubting whether you worked on the unit - as you say, the fact that it went away broken and came back working tells me enough! I thought you might be amused / annoyed to see their assertions, which seem to be based on the assumption that if you didn't damage the card you couldn't have fixed it (!).

I'd already replied to them before I posted my update; see quote below; my thought process is not dissimilar to yours...
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Andrew,

I'm both surprised and disappointed by your response, and angered that it has taken you over four weeks since receiving the laptop to produce it; Comet were in possession of the report even before I booked the machine in, and you could / should have contacted Acer at that point, and saved dragging this out.

Could you please clarify the following points:

- you appear to be asserting that Nvidia fitted different components to Acer machines from those they fitted to other brands; could you please confirm how the spec of the component in my machine differs from those failing in other machines?

- you appear to be asserting that because I was unlucky enough to have a graphics card fail after two years, that I should bear the cost of replacement; while the high incidence of failures may make it easier to diagnose the problem, it doesn't take away from the fact that I was sold a pup which did not last anything like as long as an expensive laptop should last; could you please confirm what you think is an acceptable lifespan for a graphics card in a laptop?

- your note implies I should source a replacement component for you to fit - this is different to the offer made by your service centre, who were hoping to charge me £204 for one (I still have the voicemail recording); could you please explain why you have changed your position on this?

- your attached letter implies I should pursue Acer or Nvidia if I wish to take this up through the courts; as I understand the Sale of Goods Act, my contract is with you, and not with the manufacturer; could you please confirm whether or not you are denying your responsibilities under the SGA?

I look forward to hearing from you shortly,
Graeme Robertson


I'll let you know what they come back with, but in the mean time, could you possibly confirm if the moneyclaim link is for English Courts? Do I need to do something different in Scotland? Or is it based on where they are based, rather than where I am based?

Regards,
Graeme


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:57 pm 
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Laptop Make: HP
Model: G6000
Graphics Card: 8600M GS
Purchased From: High Street Store
Amount Paid: 399
Date Purchased: 01 Mar 2007
Date Failed: 25 Sep 2009
graeme150 wrote:

... could you possibly confirm if the moneyclaim link is for English Courts? Do I need to do something different in Scotland? Or is it based on where they are based, rather than where I am based?


Graeme,

I've got a feeling that you may have to issue a Small Claim in the Sheriffs Court for this one. Having said that, the notes on MCOL only state that the defendant should be resident in England & Wales.

It may be worth contacting MCOL before trying to issue a claim online:

Email - CustomerService.mcol@hmcourts-service.gsi.gov.uk
Telephone - 0845 601 5935.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:52 am 
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Amount Paid: 700
Date Purchased: 05 Jan 2008
Date Failed: 01 Dec 2009
Paul,

Here is Comet's reply from today.
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Dear Mr Robertson

Thank you for your reply.

The components supplied by nVidia do differ between manufacturers, as their internal makeup will need to factor in the mechanical differences in motherboard design and overall specification of the models they are intended for use in. We have discussed this matter with Acer directly who have confirmed that none of their models have been known to suffer the same defect as noted in Hewlett Packard, Dell, Sony and Apple models with the nVidia graphics chip. Regrettably, we are unable to verify the exact internal variations as the information is held by Acer and nVidia alone. Should you wish to contact them to clarify the matter, you are welcome to do so.

We are unable to specify what an acceptable lifespan is for a graphics card, as guarantees are supplied by the manufacturer. In addition, the Sale of Goods Act does not require goods to remain of merchantable quality or be fit for purpose until the end of their accepted working life and does not hold the retailer responsible for faults that develop after purchase, as the Act is not the equivalent of a guarantee. As previously advised, the retailer is only responsible for faults present from purchase. It is our opinion, having inspected the laptop, that the fault was not present at the time of sale.

In regards to our referrals to nVidia or Acer, we would not wish to diminish our responsibilities under the Sale of Goods Act and are not expecting you to follow this course of enquiry. This suggestion was only offered in good faith, since we are aware that many issues have been resolved in-house by nVidia and the relevant computing manufacturers. Our stance is the same in that we can fit the part if they choose to supply it. Our offer has not changed either, only expanded to include this, and we can still fit the part by ordering it ourselves at a cost of £204 to yourself.

Taking the above into consideration and having reviewed the entire matter, while I am of course very sorry that you disagree with the information in our responses, I am satisfied that it is correct and am therefore unable to assist you any further on this matter.

I trust this clarifies our position.

Kind Regards
Andrew Kingston
Comet Customer Services


I've checked the Which? website, and it does look like I'll need to raise a small calim through the local Sheriff Court. I'll get a letter warning them of this sent off once I identify the correct address for it; in the meantime, any further comments / advice would be welcome...

Regards, and thanks again,
Graeme


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Hello Graeme,

I would waste no more of your time on them.

They have obviously closed their ears and are not prepared to accept that like HP laptops and Sony Laptops and Toshiba laptops Acer laptops are also affected.

Have they come up with any other reason for the premature failure of your graphics card?

I would now file your claim through the Sheriff Court and I would sue them - it really seems to be the only language they understand.

Have they commented on why your laptop is reaching 105°C ? Have they also noted that this temperature is way above the boiling point of water and you could have suffered burns as a result of using it on your lap?

The courts are very reasonable and they will make the right decision in your case as the evidence speaks for itself.

I hope the above helps.

Good luck and best wishes

Paul
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:05 am 
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Date Failed: 01 Dec 2009
Agreed - they gave me their Head Office contact details without even trying t discourage me. I still need to get proper confirmation about whether to sue in Scottish or English courts, but will get on the case...

Thanks again for all your help - I'll keep you informed of any developments...

Regards,
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